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So things people have become accustomed to doing for fun, and have seen others do with no issue, can land them a ban if they post it on some mods bad day.
Because they're optional.
And the line is never really defined or elaborated on for some of these.
(This is an issue with the actual concrete rules* as-well.)
Rules should be elaborated on, so that people aren't left guessing what the word "trolling" means to each mod.
When you don't elaborate the rules, they're left to interpretation.
Mods will interperate things differently, meaning they might have a differn't list of rules based on how they interpret them.
They should atleast give a couple sentences of elaboration under the rule, as-well as examples of specific things that violate them.
Luckily most mods seem detached when it comes to modding, and seem to be on the same page.
But they don't have to be, because they can interprete the vague wording any way they want.
And that's how you get turkey.
There is no Carol in HR.
THERE ARE NO RULES.
IT'S ALL INTERPRETATION.
Holy-FUCK I hate inconsistencies, lack of elaboration, and confusing wording.
You wanna fix the turkey?
You haver to fix the rules.
And I honestly don't think Tommy-Boy has fixed the rules in years, besides turning politics into the wild-west with a single sheriff.
The rules should be rigid, and not optional.
They should be clearly explained and carefully worded to remove the interpretation factor.
And any handing out of a ban, or altering of a ban, should be clearly explained with screenshot context.
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Now, did you get fucked?
Yes.
Could some of your posts be considered rule breaking?
Yes. DID YOU SEE HOW VAGUE SOME OF THOSE RULES ARE?
And some of your opinions/stances are divisive, which can be against the rules if they happen to feel like it at the moment.
Was Turkey picking and choosing?
Of-course he was. The system is practically designed for that.
It's a MIRACLE the other mods seem to be on the same page when it comes to not doing that.
It's fucked.
It's completley fucked.
But how can you be surprised?
Unless you can get a crap-ton of users to protest the vague rules, this isn't going to be fixed.
I might think you're a dick, but I actually have issues with the weird moderation.
However, I'm not surprised.
JosephStarr
@TailsPrower
(I actually have alot of opinions about the double-standards, vague rules, loopholes, and moderator discretion vs by-the-book moderation.)
(Prepare for some nut-case theory wall shit here, because I have alot to say about this.)
Now, just a heads up.
Except for the very last section, almost none of the following rant is about you.
I have alot of bourbon in me, and I'm going to type this as blunt and non-personal as possible.
(SERIOUSLY. THIS IS GOING TO BE A LONG AS FUCK RANT. YOU CAN SKIP IF YOU WANT.)
You wanna talk about the confusing moderation?
Take a look at this:
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"Warning: Engage in the Politics forum at your own risk. If you get banned in the politics forum, no one from NG will come to rescue you. Politics is a quarantine forum to keep political fighting out of the General forum and if you don't like how it's moderated, please leave and go somewhere else."
"Things that MIGHT get you banned"
"Backseat modding: pointing out what needs to be deleted, banned, locked or destroyed."
"Posting flashing or strobing images, or picture spamming: repeatedly posting the same picture or posting irrelevant / overused images such as the FAIL picture.
ALL CAPS posting."
"Trolling."
"Derailing a thread."
"Creating parody threads or posting with gimmick accounts."
"Posting lame chat conversations. No one cares. Seriously."
"Fixating on uncomfortable and divisive topics, theories, etc."
"Participating in / bumping a thread that breaks the rules."
"Attempting to smartass your way around these rules."
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That right there is the confusing moderation.
Now let's talk about the confusing moderation.
Can we talk about the confusing moderation please, Tails?
Because I'VE BEEN DYING to talk about the confusing moderation!
"If you get banned in the politics forum, no one from NG will come to rescue you."
"...if you don't like how it's moderated, please leave and go somewhere else."
THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN?
So the board has some sort of exemption from the main rules?
It's like some semi-lawless blacksite that's completlety up to the mod's discretion?
Only one forum mod even bothers with that board 80% of the time.
The bird you have an issue with. Turkey.
And between him being the only one there most of the time, and how the politics forum is some isolated board with it's own moderation, he effectively has free reign to mod how he wants.
So it seems as if Tom has accepted this as the way things are.
I don't think he has a problem with it, despite how fucking strange it is.
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Now let's talk about how half of the rules are optional:
"Things that MIGHT get you banned"
Oh that's nice, half of them are optional and completley up to any mod who comes across it.
But some of these activities are everywhere.
Absolutely EVERYWHERE sometimes.
Let's go through them:
"Backseat modding: pointing out what needs to be deleted, banned, locked or destroyed."
Who doesn't complain about the awdgamers and ngman7s?
Who doesn't call them out on their shit?
"Posting flashing or strobing images, or picture spamming: repeatedly posting the same picture or posting irrelevant / overused images such as the FAIL picture.
ALL CAPS posting."
Dude, some users have post histories that are mostly made up of overused memes and pictures.
But, it goes on. Over and over with no change.
It's so non-enforced that it's a tradition. Why is it still a rule?
God-damnit, mods.
*insert cat picture here.*
"Trolling."
What does that even mean though?
Can you even find 5 people who have the same definition or standard for trolling?
Let alone an entire moderation team?
And how do you even tell if somebody is trolling these days?
It's impossible, have you seen some of these people?
They might be serious.
"Derailing a thread."
...lmao...oh god, it hurts.
"Creating parody threads or posting with gimmick accounts."
Yeah, okay. Every other week the general forum if half filled with parody threads.
"Posting lame chat conversations. No one cares. Seriously."
I asked about this once, apparently people used to post screenshots of chatrooms.
It'd be nice IF THERE WAS SO MUCH AS A SENTENCE OF EXPLANATION.
You know, like all the rules should have.
"Fixating on uncomfortable and divisive topics, theories, etc."
Uhhmmm, okay then. The politics board has no real rules. It really is a blacksite.
"Participating in / bumping a thread that breaks the rules."
This is where you can get dozens of users being instabanned for daring to post in something like a spam thread.Even if they're not doing anything against the rules*.
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